Hello, I have just started KISS

[lynda]

Oceana I think you talked yesterday or I read it yesterday about your morning run (I totally admire you for that alone!!!) and how you got hungry at morning tea.
At class last night carolyn was talking about holding at morning tea and suggested that if we don't use our milks there is a cottage cheese (about 1/2 that we could use as altho it is in the milks the quantity is different to full protein serve) and that will help hold - some people like it with fruit... also peanut butter from the fat allowance also might help...
You should ask her if you are on the online programme.

[Jill]

So good to hear from you.

I am doing the online one.  I am amazed how how much info is here and contact I have.  I am only on for four weeks at the moment but I am really liking it.

I love the idea of growing all our fruit and veg but I am not good at it.  Once agin my timing is usally up the creek.  Aside from that we haven't had a lot of rain since the flood( of course) earlier in the year.  We are just starting to think we may have to buy some water for our tanks. 

We have chickens, some inherited from my friends Mum who moved off her property, so it's a bit like an old age home for chooks.  Some of them still lay and are just coming back to lay now.  I am a city girl so I'm not real good with all things farmey, but it has always been my dream.

So how long have you all been on KISS? What do you all do? I like to know about you as well.

Jill

[Kiwismum]

Oh Jill that all sounds good.

I am trying the system in the permaculture home garden book by Linda Woodrow. She uses a chicken dome to do all the hard work of digging and fertilising the ground, and then you move the dome to a new spot and the ground is ready to plant. We will see how it works, but so far so good.

I started the diet last year and like you signed up for a month, then another three months after that. Since then I have been 'playing' at the program and it shows in my weight. I keep thinking I should go back on the plan properly as it does work and it is easy, but right now(theres always something) but right now I am going through a fruit eating stage. That means I am eating more fruit than the plan allows, but less of other things so it balances out.

Still right now the weight is still moving even if it is slowly so that is good. Maybe we should set up a gardening thread as there are a few gardeners here.

[Jill]

Good on you, Kiwismum

I love permaculture.  I have so many books on it. I've tried a few times to draw up a plan but just don't seem to get the right balance.  I must admit I think I have a perfectinist streak I have to get over.  It seems to be in the way of alot of things.

You will have to let me know how you are going and what you have.  Can't wait to hear.

[Kiwismum]

Yes if you remember to ask I will happily keep you posted.

We have just started it and the we built the dome between showers of rain. We have the chickens in there and they are due for there first move this weekend, so that is exciting. I have several different types of seedlings I have been busy with to get them all ready to go in at the same time. Big planting weekend coming up soon.

[oceana]

hi Jill
Nice to have another newbie around! I am into my second week and actually finding the food a hell of a lot to eat! especially at night. I'm just not used to two carbs then (secret closet ex Atkins). Maybe its all part of the process of learning to eat properly instead of eating too lightly at night and then being very hungry the next morning. We'll see.

[Jill]

Hi Oceana

Breakfast is the one I have always struggled with, that and the afternoon drop where I could barely keep my eyes open. 

This diet seems to take care of that. It's so simple it is nearly too hard, but that seems to be the way with most things that work.

I missed my afternoon snacks the other day, was nearly asleep through dinner and after having food was awake again.

[Kiwismum]

Ahh Oceana, this will be a learning curve for you then.

I have trouble having carb free nights so I for me I just have a small portion of a carb with dinner. I do have trouble with all the bread though, and have to find replacements as I just don't like bread that much.

Jill, it is sometimes good to try and shake things up a bit, but now you know that the afternoon snacks are there for a reason.

Keep up the good work both of you

[lynda]

Hi now Jill and Oceana - have you guys weighed again? Are you up to sharing?
How are you going Libby?  Libby do you know Carolyn?  How did you get the books in London?  (That was carolyns question when I asked at class the other night).

Anyway KM is probably better at this but I think, carbs are harder for our bodies to digest at night? I would have to read it again, and I do have it out to do so!!  And I think Oceana might have said how hard she finds it to eat carbs at night now as she hasn't for so long.  I guess, if i didn't want them then, then no I wouldn't have them. But i think they are almost "comfort" from the meat, potato and three veg days!!!

Oh, and if you don't want carbs at night?  Why put them back!!!  Oh, and the other thing I did ask Carolyn a few weeks ago was - if you don't eat the carbs at night, can you have them during the day... um, the answer was "NO!" you are not supposed to.  Though I do sometimes - but only one of them.

[Kiwismum]

The reason for no carbs at night is because they (especially starchy carbs) convert easily into simple sugars in our body. This is where our bodies go for the first port of call for fuel/energy so we can get through the day. Any excess in sugar is converted into fat.

So unless you are on night shift, doing a heavy workout/load in the evening, or have a blood sugar issue, then the starch you eat at the end of the day is not needed and so is instead converted into fat.

Now carbs can come in many forms and all types of fruits and veges can be classed as a carb, but the starchy ones are easier for the body to convert and so you get a carb high, or a sugar rush usually followed by a crash, hence the 3.00 slump.

So in the evening you eat your protein, fat and lots of nonstarchy veges.

Both protein and fat will help to slow the rate of sugar entering the blood stream, and no excess will mean that you will have small regular amounts of fuel to keep you body functioning through the night.

This also shows why breakfast is so important. By morning you will have used up all the fuel available and so you will be hungry. Now if you have an unbalanced breakfast full of simple carbs you will get straight back into the sugar rush/slump cycle. But if you instead have whole grains with some protein and fat then you will feel full, no high or low, and you will not have consumed a large amount of calories.

Ok sorry if I am getting to involved here, but it is a subject I feel strongly about and do have some knowledge about, feel free to ignore if you don't agree.

[lynda]

Wow KM I bow to your great knowledge  
You explained it very clearly - thank you.  How do you know so much???  I am very impressed!

[Kiwismum]

Thank you Lynda. Actually to me it is one of those common knowledge things that always surprises me that others don't know.

It is a subject that I have a lot of interest in and often read books on food etc. Plus many years ago id 4 years of nautropathic study, but was unfortunately unable to finish the final year and have never got back to it.

So yes a long standing interest with many years of collecting bits of information.

[Jill]

Good afternoon

OK, now I understand a bit more. A person never stops learning do they?  I don't think I'm quite ready to give up my comfort carb just yet.  I am very interested though because Hubby has a big tummy, gets up at 4am doesn't eat till approx 9am, sometimes 11am.  I am wondering how this affects him in real terms, body wise, chemically... do you know what I mean?

As for my weight, I started at 96.6kg, I am now down to 93.4kg and I am aiming, eventually, at 65kg.  My weigh in is tomorrow, Thursdays.  I think it will be somewhat slower now as I settle in to the diet and adjust my outside eating and my body starts to realize that this is it folks.  At least that's what I'm telling myself in case I haven't lost much.

I will let you know tomorrow, until then have a great evening.

[Kiwismum]

Hi Jill

Re your hubby: Many people think that by not eating for most of the day they are eating less and it will be better for their health and weight. It is a common thing. What actually happens is the body goes into famine mode because it doesn't know when the next meal is coming from. Think cavemen here!

The body signals cause the person to store every they can to sustain the brain until the next meal comes. At the same time hunger signals are put out that if ignored can become cravings. Usually this will be a desire for carbs since the brain is looking for an extra boost of sugar to feed it.

So binge eating can begin. All the fuel has been consumed in only a small amount of a 24 hour period and since it is too much for the body to use in one go, the excess is stored. This is why any good eating plan will recommend four smaller meals in a day over one large one.

On this plan you get three main meals and up to four small snacks, Morning tea, early afternoon tea, the 4 o'clock toast and dessert.

Now this does not mean that you have to have all those snacks everyday, but it does make the whole program very flexible and easy to incorporate into your everyday life.

The other thing about males is that there bodies are not governed by a 28 day cycle, so they have no hormonal fluctuations to through things out of balance. This is why men usually find it easier to lose weight than women.

Over 3 Kilos is a good start to your weight loss, and yes you can expect that to slow as you go along. There is alot of science behind why this is so, so I will just say aim at anything between 1/2 to 1 kilo a week and you will be doing well.

[Jill]

Thank you Kiwismum

It does sound like hubby will have to try and have some brekky maybe just a snack to start with, like a banana or toast maybe.  I think it will take some convincing.